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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:52:00 -
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Remember when you guys said "Why don't we have more tournaments in EVE?". We agreed and thought, what can we add?
The answer was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0 |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:15:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?
Studio - Yes Commentators - To be announced |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:18:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT? Studio - Yes Commentators - To be announced and player adverts? :)
There will not be player adverts for this event at least. We are working on giving you a more streamlined action packed broadcast. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:22:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
Also, if you are a small gang PVP expert there is nothing stopping you from being sponsored by an alliance or a corporation. Also, you can search for a team that has the funds available and is recruiting. If you are a top level player just start a search for a team or a search for funds. |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:35:00 -
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Jackie Fisher wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Also, if you are a small gang PVP expert there is nothing stopping you from being sponsored by an alliance or a corporation. If you don't want to be backed by a corporation/alliance, you can search for a team that has the funds available and is recruiting. If you are a top level player just start a search for a team or a search for funds. So presumably team names could be sponsored by Eve related entities as a form of advertising?
For instance that could be a selling point for a team looking for funding to join this tournament. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:34:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT? Can we have this question answered please. I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now. Oh, and prediction is PL wins. Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:56:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.
http://www.lottogenie.com/html/odds.html
Those look like worse odds to me and you don't get to blow up spaceships! |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:20:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote: Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.
I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback? Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program.
That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.
It is worth noting that this isn't an end all tournament or a grand finale. This is the first step on a hopefully long, entertaining and successful road. Also, the main purpose of this tournament is to engage you, the community, and bring you a full scale tournament production for your entertainment, whether you partake in the tournament or just opt to watch it.
During ATX we received positive feedback and were asked multiple times, why don't you do more tournaments? We took that question to heart and are here to offer you, you guessed it, more tournaments. Any constructive criticism, pointers and observations are of course completely welcome and will help us better this service to you in the future. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:21:00 -
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Servant's Lord wrote:So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char?
You will only be required to part with your PLEX if you win a spot. Meaning that you don't pay the PLEX until you have won the auction for the spot. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:36:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote:
That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.
I understand you have to run a business, but I will point out that MOST sports events make their real money on advertising money, and not off of the players in the tournament. I know you may not have an exact value for the cost of your programs advertising (and has been free, and is an awesome service for free...) - but getting a better idea of that would be in your benefit, and would ease some of the... financial burdens on the "players" (read, not 20B isk to enter the tournament). I am sure that own3DTV made a killing on having 5-10,000K viewers (which I'm sure is huge for an eSports event) on advertising. I would like player advertising to be free whenever possible, but in cases such as this, where you want to limit your advertising time, I'm just putting that out there. :) Also, I'm sure own3dtv wants advertising time, so you're gonna need SOME slow time in between (or it's going to all be ads in between...) The major issue we ran into when playing ads on both platform simultaneously (player ads and other ads) was getting the timing right. This caused some players concern and we got feedback on that. With that feedback in mind we decided to try out a new scheduling format to see if that works better. If it does it can be adapted for future events where we can then incorporate player ads as we have done before. As I said, I like feedback and pointers and this discussion right here is exactly what is needed to help us evolve the tournament format and broadcast structure. |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:35:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.
I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.
Like Soundwave said, we don't plan on this bringing in money. Most of the comments here don't factor in how much a full scale production costs.
We want this to be engaging content for the community. If you compete or not, we want you to have fun! |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:47:00 -
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Theory Bore wrote:Any chance I could get some clarification by CCP on some of the rules regarding team size for this tournament? "Dev Blog" wrote: Please note that the minimum team size is eight pilots and the maximum team size is 24 pilots (8 main players plus up to 16 reserves). Here it's somewhat confusing as to what a "player" and what a "pilot" is defined as. Does this mean 24 people can be on any given team or does it mean that there is a limit of 24 in-game characters? (e.g. would a team of 20 people who own 3 accounts each be allowed to use all 60 characters in the tournament) "Dev Blog" wrote:You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you.
By the same metric, would a single person who owns 8 accounts be able to enter a team? The rules state that you need a minimum of 8 players, but it's still not clear as to what a "player" is according to the rules.
Regarding your first question, you can have up to 24 people on a team but in that case every person can only field 1 character each. If you have 20 people on a team they can together field up to 24 in-game characters.
The second question, if you own 8 accounts you can register a team and multibox in the tournament. |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.01 10:41:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9. |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:37:00 -
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Mawderator wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9. So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line? I fail to see how these two situations are comparable. One is a corporation theft and the other is throwing a match in a tournament with specific rules. Also, the same rules against collusion were in effect for ATX and there was no real life cash on the line there. It's not about the prize in any way, it is about hosting an entertaining event. |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:40:00 -
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Molinator Agnon wrote:I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.
Admiral Goberius wrote:it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine
Exactly Admiral, that is why we opted to have the bans 45 minutes before to give teams adequate time to adapt to the banned ships. As for your comment Molinator, we will show the bans and discuss them just before we go into the match. This should hopefully take away any need for a score card to keep track of what ships are being banned for each match. |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:28:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.) Or is it? |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:56:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?
In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?
"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."
This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?
Thanks. Regarding the first part of your post, it is true that practicing and doing tournaments at this time is a hassle in EVE and if this becomes a more regular thing we will of course look to provide players with the tools necessary to practice more efficiently. How and if that will be done is uncertain at this point.
Regarding the second part of the post, we will of course thoroughly investigate any infringements of the rules and only act if we have evidence that we deem conclusive. I honestly hope that people can respect the rules and put on a good show while striving towards winning the tournament with their piloting skills. After all, you want to be able to call yourself "The best team in EVE" and not "The team that tried to cheat". |
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CCP Bro
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:55:00 -
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Aotearorian wrote:One think is not stipulated clearly.
If players enter multiply characters on team, would it cause his to resive his share of winning multiply times or just one share per player, not character. The prizes are divided between players, not characters. |
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